He's recorded an album.
"Life takes you down paths, and I wasn't resistant to that path because I loved what I was doing. But in lockdown we all sat around thinking, didn't we?"
He went on to explain that over the years he has always had a toe in the music world, but it was an appearance on BBC Radio 2 about 10 years ago that really cemented it. He sang a couple of songs when he was doing an interview there and singer Cerys Matthews' husband – producer Steve Abbott – suggested he record some songs, but he decided not to pursue it.
Then during lockdown he decided to give it a go and he was put in touch with a jazz musician called Giacomo Smith, who encouraged him to write some songs."I started writing and found out there was lots that I actually did want to write, and before we knew it we had a record's worth of songs. We've ended up with a rootsy, jazzy, rock'n'rolly, singer-songwritery-type album. If that doesn't put you off, nothing will.