‘Tech Doesn’t Just Stay at the Border’: Petra Molnar on Surveillance’s Long Reach

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‘Tech Doesn’t Just Stay at the Border’: Petra Molnar on Surveillance’s Long Reach
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“The border is like a free-for-all, this frontier zone that is a perfect laboratory for tech experimentation.”

Petra Molnar is an anthropologist and attorney focused on human rights and migration. Molnar, who is based in Toronto, serves as the associate director of York University’s Refugee Law Lab and as a faculty associate at Harvard University’s Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society. She has worked on migrant justice causes since 2008, first assisting directly with families resettling in Canada and now as a lawyer and researcher.

For you as a journalist, for me, as a human rights lawyer, we find out about things after the fact, or once they’ve already been rolled out. There isn’t this commitment to oversight and accountability in these spaces at all—because there doesn’t have to be. That’s such an important piece to the puzzle here—the proliferation of what people have called a very lucrative global border-industrial complex.

This tech doesn’t just stay at the border. Not only does it then become normalized and used in other areas of public life, like the robot dogs now patrolling streets of New York City, but also there are things like Externalization is a really important piece to this puzzle, too. This is the phenomenon where the border stops being a physical location, and then it is extended further, kind of disaggregated from its actual physical location—not only vertically into the skies through drones and surveillance but also horizontally. The U.S. has for years been.

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